The Proposed 2018 Budget Calls for a Dues Increase...
...The Commodore and the Financial Secretary explain why.
Committees Have Big Plans for 2018...
...See previews from Grounds, House, Entertainment, Power Boaters and other Committees.
A Forest of Aluminum at SSYC?
...Bruce Nason's photo explains why.
From the Helm
2018 Budget Calls on Members for $9/mo Dues Increase
By Jerry Kedziora Commodore
’Tis the season. On behalf of your Flag Officers and Board of Directors, our best wishes to all of our Members and their families; wishing all of you a very Merry Christmas and a healthy, safe, fun and prosperous New Year.
Board Approves Budget Calling for $9/mo Dues Increase
At the November 21 Board of Directors meeting, your Board approved a $1.8 million budget for SSYC. The 2018 budget was developed by your Finance Committee, chaired by Financial Secretary Steve Williams. This year saw four Active Members added to the committee, including Larry Lenz and Steve Belville. A lot of time, thought and effort during several meetings went into developing this budget. As part of the approval, the Board will be asking Members to amend Article V, Section 1 Dues at the December General Membership Meeting. The increase we are asking for is $9 per month, to give the Club necessary operating funds to meet its financial obligations for 2018 and to insure that our Club lives up to membership expectations.
There are several reasons that we are asking for this dues increase. We have seen an increase in expenses in several areas and a drop in revenue thru 2017. In addition, we had fewer large nonmember events in 2017 than we had in 2016. These events typically generate a lot of revenue for the Club.
Perhaps most importantly, our dues increases are still far behind the inflation rate of the last several years, going back to at least 1987. In theory, our dues should be about $830 per year given the inflation rate. The proposed increase will bring annual dues to $778, still below the “inflation rate.”
The cost of living keeps going up every year and, frankly, our Club has not taken a realistic look financially from year to year at the effect of increasing costs. All too many times during my tenure on the Board I have heard the phrase: “Not on my watch.” As a result we have gotten further and further behind. Even with this dues increase we still won’t have the money that we need to address our aging infrastructure and deferred maintenance.
The budget that we will be presenting is as usual, razor thin. We are projecting a positive operating cushion of a little over $8,000 for 2018 which is less than a ½ per cent margin of error in a total budget of over $1.8 million. Again, I stress that this projected cushion is only for current operating expenses. Aside from the $36,000 we are now devoting annually to improving our liquid cash reserves, as recommended by our auditors, we are not setting aside anything for long-term savings or capital improvements.
Another issue is that we will have 12 Active Members going to Life membership. The loss in dues and monthly minimums is over $13,000 per year starting in 2018, since Life Members pay neither. We also had a similar loss in revenue for 2017, when we had 13 Active Members going to Life membership.
To put it plain and simple, we ran out of money towards the end of this year, and we had to use about $30,000 of our line of credit to get us thru and pay current expenses. Since 2018 dues are starting to flow in, we are able to pay back the line of credit, but the net effect is that we will be using some of our 2018 revenues to pay 2017 expenses.
In 2018, I will insist that all committee chairs manage their 2018 budgets closely. In order to do this we will have a quarterly review of budgets, expenses and revenue to make sure all committees, management and staff are staying on budget. I have also asked Treasurer Mark Humphrey to do a cash flow analysis for 2017 to determine if we have had any problem areas such as committees exceeding their budgets, needed repairs that we did not anticipate or any expenses that we did not properly plan for when we developed the 2017 budget.
In breaking with past practice, I have asked Steve Williams to provide a summary of our 2018 Budget and have it posted on our website to give the membership the opportunity to review the budget prior to the General Membership Meeting. I encourage Active and Life Members who are eligible to vote to review this summary budget and to attend the General Membership Meeting at 7 p.m. December 21. The financial and long term health of our Club depends on your participation.
Pat Nora Set to Return Soon
On a good note, the return of General Manager Pat Nora would be a nice present under the tree. Pat is recovering and hopes to be back at the Club in time for the Christmas holidays, possibly by mid-December.
Stop by for a Tom & Jerry on Christmas Day
One of the ways to really feel the warmth and good cheer of our Club is to come down on Christmas Day between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m. We’ll be serving the traditional Tom & Jerry (and no, the drink was not named after my brother and me). It’s a great time to wish your friends at SSYC “Merry Christmas” and tell everyone what Santa Claus left for you under the tree.
Changes are Underway
Finally, we have been making changes around the Club since November 1. I have given a list of things that I feel need to be done in 2018 to several of the operating committee chairs. I’ll be discussing them in future Compass articles.
From the Financial Secretary, a Word About the 2018 Budget
By Steve Williams Financial Secretary
Let me start by introducing myself. Along with my wife Marie, I have been a member here at South Shore Yacht Club for two years. Since we joined, we’ve acquired a power boat. We very much enjoy being members here at the Cub. We spend many evenings here at events and socializing.
After hearing the need for new Members to become involved, we decided with the encouragement of friends and Members at the Club that my running for the Financial Secretary position would be a worthy challenge.
Well, let me tell you, once elected in September, it was off and running at full speed. Step one was to review the Finance Committee membership and solidify the committee for the upcoming year. I also found it was up to me to collect and distribute the materials needed for the Board committee chairs to develop their budgets for 2018, hold finance committee meetings to develop and approve the budget as a whole, present the budget to the Board of Directors for approval at the November Board meeting and, soon, to present it to the membership at the December General Membership Meeting. Well, just to let you know, we all survived, and I am prepared to present the budget to you at the Membership meeting on December 21.
What I learned along the way is that we are very lucky to have a Board that truly looks out for all our Members. The Board is heavily challenged with the task of running the Club as efficiently as possible.
This budget calls for a $9 monthly increase in dues. I have heard it has always been a fight or at least a major challenge in the past to increase dues, ask Members for an assessment, or increase fees of any kind. But let’s face facts: life costs more these days, and I don’t see that changing in the future. We see it all around us, and are willing to invest more in our personal and professional lives.
I have to say going through the budget that we are not able to sustain the current Club expenses with the current Club income. As you are all aware, we have Members going from Active status to Life Member status (congratulations to them!), but this means they no longer pay dues or monthly minimums, meaning a loss of revenue. We also lose a few Members every year for multiple reasons. We are striving to draw new Members at all times to replace any loss and add to our membership family.
There are only a few other areas from which the Club derives income, so options are very limited as to what we can do to continue to provide funding for what the Club is today. I have heard from many Members that we need to improve in the areas of Club appearance and services. Unfortunately it all costs money. So, we need to keep an open mind as to how we are going to achieve that in the future. Many of the needed upgrades and repairs to the Club have been postponed for way too long and will need addressing before failure occurs. Much planning is needed to handle major repairs to systems and facilities.
I am requesting that you keep an open mind as we present the budget for 2018, and that you be willing to work together for the future of our Club and its continued growth and existence.
Boat Show Volunteers Needed
By Patty Thompson Membership Director
The Milwaukee Boat Show is coming up in early 2018. From January 18 until January 28, we will be hosting a booth at the Expo Center at State Fair Park. We will need many volunteers to help tell the story of South Shore Yacht Club, to let people know what it means to be a part of this “Harbor of Hospitality.” We have an online sign up page where you can sign up for one shift or multiple shifts, and we will be happy to have you on the team! Follow the link here or go to ssyc.org, then to "For Members" then to "Milwaukee Boat Show Sign-Up" (be sure to log in as a Member). Remember, volunteering means free admission to the boat show, too.
Give the Gift of Membership
Have you considered giving the gift of South Shore Yacht Club? It’s easy! Purchase a $100 gift card from the office, and pair it up with a TRY Membership Application for your loved one. They use the gift card for their initial fee, and they get to try out the Club for 30 days. If they like it, they can follow up and become full members. It’s truly the gift that keeps on giving.
Open Houses are Planned
We have set several Open Houses dates to showcase our facilities and our offerings. Open Houses are a great way to connect with potential members, and it is our best performing method of bringing new people through our doors. Bring your friends, bring your neighbors, but most of all, bring your story of why you are a Member of SSYC.
Membership by the Numbers
As of mid-November:
Active Members: 498
Waiting List for December Board Meeting: 3
Associate I: 6
Associate II: 9
Life Members: 172
Life Surviving Spouse: 45
Active to Non-Resident: Ariel Wolf
Grounds Committee has Big Plans for 2018
The Grounds Committee is responsible for the area outside the clubhouse, east to the gas pumps and west to the parking lot. This is the area that our members and visitors see first as they walk through the gate. In other words, the Grounds Committee is responsible for “first impressions” of SSYC.
The Grounds Committee will meet at 6:30 p.m. on January 4 in the Club conference room on the second floor. This is a critical meeting to establish realistic goals for the upcoming year. You can see the agenda here or by going to ssyc.org, to “For Members,” to “Calendar,” then click on the “Grounds Meeting” on January 4. (Be sure to sign on as a Member.) Please plan to attend with creative thoughts, constructive criticism and ideas. Any Member is welcome to attend and join or assist the Committee.
We look forward to 2018 as the year that we will “Make SSYC Grounds Beautiful Again.”
Happy Holidays to all.
And, finally, thank you for your assistance this past year during my tenure as your Juniors Advisor. It was a most enjoyable and rewarding experience with our youth sailors and parents.
Awards Abound at Winners Dinner
Winners were everywhere at the Winners Dinner award night. Among the many recipients, above from left, Mark Ernst of Snowball's Chance, Jim Kelly of Bounder and John Sutphen of Yeah Bouy, picked up their division first place awards in the SS-SSS fleet.
Below, Sail Race Director Rick Trisco and SS-SSS Fleet Captain Barbara Drake addressed the crowd. Bruce Nason photos.
Corinthian Award Goes to Dave Wehnes
By Scott Burke Special Events Director
Each year the Sail Race committee recognizes one of the members of our racing fleets for his or her sportsmanship, Corinthian spirit and overall dedication to the sport. This year we present this award to -- a deserving person who, along with his wife, races in multiple fleets at SSYC. Additionally, he promotes the sport of sailing and makes sure the SSYC racers enjoy good
Dave Wehnes received the 2017 Corinthian Award. Bruce Nason photo.
racing. We also must thank him for being a fleet captain of a fleet that he doesn’t even race in and even ensuring we could pull off the race to Port Washington this year by creatively providing a finish line in adverse conditions. This year’s recipient of the SSYC Corinthian Award is Dave Wehnes, PC. Please join me in congratulating him.
Fleet Captains Needed for the 2018 Season
Special thanks go out to Dave Wehnes, MBOS Fleet Captain, and to Bruce and Carolyn Nason, SSYC Double Handed Fleet Co-Captains, for their many years of service supporting SSYC sail racing. With the close of the 2017 season, Dave, Bruce and Carolyn have announced they will be retiring as captains. The search is now on for new MBOS and Double Handed fleet captains to pick up where they have left off and continue our great sail racing tradition. If you are interested, please contact me as soon as possible at so that we can get the 2018 planning started.
Lily E Deserves a Little Winter R&R (Repair & Rebuild)
As the 2017 sail racing season was drawing to a close, it was clear the Lily E was showing signs of wear. Our team determined it was time to have the transmission serviced, and here it is shown pulled and ready for rebuild. Thanks to help from Jerry Kedziora and Bruce Nason we made quick work of the removal. The transmission will return in the spring ready for another racing season.
SS-SSS Looks Ahead
By Barbara R. Drake SS-SSS Fleet Captain
Congratulations to all the 2017 fleet winners.
Mark your calendars. Our fleet meeting will be on April 18, 2018.
Enjoy the holidays, and we will see you in the Spring.
Our Newest New Member
Francis Freudinger, right, was voted into the Club as an Active Member at the November Board meeting. He hails from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and has always lived around the Great Lakes. He and his wife Bonnie, left, live in Greenfield and had thought about looking for a place Up North, but opted for a boat on Lake Michigan instead and are in the market for a power craft now. Be sure to say hi next time you see them at the Club.
Queen's Cup Race
It's Never Too Early to Think Queen's Cup
This dramatic photo by Callie Shensky of Kalamazoo, Michigan, was the winner of the 2017 Queen’s Cup Race Photo contest. Remember, the 80th Queen’s Cup Race is Friday, June 22, 2018, to Grand Haven Michigan.
A Big No No
When slip licensees leave their wave boards or bumpers on past the closing date, volunteers at the Slip Work Day have to remove the offending goods. Slip users get a bill for the work, but it shouldn't happen in the first place. Each slip lease requires the user to remove all equipment below the pier line before winter. Bruce Nason photos.
Juniors Alums Move on to Exciting Sail Opportunities
Greg Adams and Allison Kent are past SSYC Junior sailors and instructors who are experiencing some fantastic sailing opportunities around the world.
Recently Greg was part of the shore crew for VESTAS 11th Hour Racing during its Lisbon Portugal stopover. The boat is competing in the fully crewed Volvo Ocean Race. Greg and one other graduate of Oakcliff Sailing Center in New York were sent to provide shore support for the team and the Ocean 65 sailboat. He helped with several maintenance projects and loading the boat for the next leg to Capetown and was able to participate in the pro-am in-port race with the crew. Greg said, “This has been one of the greatest experiences in my sailing career”.
Greg Adams, above, and Allison Kent, below, leveraged their SSYC Juniors experience into opportunities on world-class sailing teams.
Allison (Gator) has been selected for the crew of Climate Action Now, a Hick 50 with Lisa Blair in partnership with The Magenta Project. Allison will be part an all-female crew of 8 competing in the upcoming 2017-18 Rolex Sydney to Hobart race. The annual 628 nautical mile course is one of the most grueling ocean races in the world, a challenge to everyone who takes part. Be sure to follow and cheer for Allison during this exciting race which starts on December 26. Sydney to Hobart Race Tracker: http://rolexsydneyhobart.com/tracker/
Breakfast with Santa is Saturday, Dec. 9
By Robert Sabinash Junior Advisory Director
Santa Claus is coming to town!
The traditional Breakfast with Santa will be Saturday, December 9, at 10 am. Please RSVP to the office by Wednesday, December 6, as seating will be limited and it always fills up. Cost is $5 per adult. Children under 2 are free. Please pay by cash or check. Please bring a new unwrapped toy to be donated to the Bay View Community Center toy drive.
We will be selling Harken Calendars for $15 and other Juniors fundraiser gifts at the door. The Juniors thank you for your support.
Other Juniors activities coming up include:
• The Juniors “ Lock In” is set for January 6. We need two volunteers to spend the night. Those who haven’t done this event should sign up before this opportunity is gone.
• Spaghetti Dinner set for January 31, with a program to follow. Look for more details to follow in the Compass and E-mails.
Power Boaters Plan for 2018
By George Graubner Vice Commodore
What is happening with the Power Boaters?
The date and information is set for the Gambling Getaway. It will be March 10. The forms and signup sheets are at the front desk at the Club. The forms need to be turned in by February 24. The cost is $110 per person. This includes the bus to Wild Rose Casino at Clinton, Iowa; dining options, room based upon double occupancy, and a hospitality party. Also, the Wild Rose offers $5 minimums. If you have any questions please call me at 414-791-8439.
I will be having a committee meeting at 7 p.m. January 9 to discuss all the upcoming 2018 Power Boaters events. I’m looking for volunteers for all of them. We will specifically be looking for help for the first event of 2018: the Super Bowl Party on February 4. Your help and ideas are appreciated and needed.
This year, Ed Hahlbeck will be serving as vice chairman of the Power Boaters. Welcome aboard, Ed!
Auxiliary Active for the Holidays
By Helen “Cookie” Mueller, PC Auxiliary President
The next meeting of the SSYC Auxiliary will be tonight, Tuesday, December 5. This meeting is our annual Holiday dinner and meeting. The festivities begin at 6 p.m.
Helen "Cookie" Mueller
At the November 7 meeting, the Auxiliary membership approved the annual Auxiliary charitable donations to non-profit organizations in Milwaukee. The Bay View Community Center, Milwaukee Rescue Mission, Day Star and Feeding America will be receiving donation checks from the Auxiliary.
During the holiday season, Auxiliary members also participated in the “Holiday Giving Tree Program” sponsored by the Volunteer Center of Greater Milwaukee. Members purchased, wrapped and delivered gifts for eighty adults and children from St. Ann Center and the Bay View Community Center.
Entertainment at the November Auxiliary meeting was “Trees from Home.” Auxiliary members decorated small Christmas trees that will be sent to military men and women who are serving overseas. We are honored to help send a piece of the holiday spirt to service men and women who are far from home.
All Auxiliary members should have received their membership renewal forms. Auxiliary dues are payable on January 1. If you did not receive your dues forms, please contact Fran Aring at 414-758-8989.
Congratulations to all of the new Auxiliary members who joined in 2017. Welcome aboard to Emily Wellman, Kari Anderson-Pink, Anne-Marie Crowley, Michele LaSelva, Jean Kedziora, Dolly McCartan, Lynn Verhasselt, Sara Arnold and Michelle Dahlen.
If you are a SSYC member or spouse of a member, please consider joining the SSYC Auxiliary. Auxiliary membership applications are available in the Club office or on the SSYC website. Please contact me at if you have any questions.
Reminder: No Auxiliary meeting in January. Our first meeting in 2018 will be on Tuesday, February 6.
Bell Buoy Memorial
Plaque Memorializes Those at Green Buoy
Ken Dziubek PC and his wife Sandra Lee have donated a Bell Buoy Memorial Plaque to the Club. It is hanging on the south wall of the dining room on the upper level. It pays tribute to those whose ashes have been fondly placed at the Green Bell Buoy by their loved ones, a resting place forever in the Great Lake we love.
The “Bell Buoy Memorial” is also on our website. It is posted in the Members Section here. (You must be logged in to view.) Please send the Names, DOB and DOD of the people who are interred and you want to be listed to Ken at
Volunteers were out in force on November 11 for the Slip Work Party. Bruce Nason photo.
Thanks to Slip, House Volunteers
By Jerry Kedziora Commodore, SSYC
I would like to thank all of the 40 or so volunteers who turned out for the slip, docks and tender dock work party a few Saturdays ago and also Greg Gaitens’ crew for blowing out the slip waterlines on the Sunday previous. Many hands make the work go quickly, safely and efficiently.
A special thanks to Mike Wiedel for his volunteer time not only working on the slips but taking care of an administrative issue as well.
This last Saturday morning we had a good turnout for the annual work party that puts up the Christmas decorations in our clubhouse and outside, led by George Graubner and his wife Sam. Nothing warms up our clubhouse and gets the spirit of Christmas started at SSYC more than having the lights, the tree and garland and the other decorations gracing our clubhouse.
Thanks to all who volunteered for this party to bring the warmth and good cheer to our Club and our Members for the Holidays.
Our work parties are generally a lot of fun. All Members and especially newer Members are invited to participate. Showing up at a work party gives everyone, especially newer members, the chance to meet other Members and make new friend, learn from the more experienced Members on how things get done at our Club, and share your ideas, talents and resources with all of us.
Successful Fall Haul Out; Helping SSYC be a Little Greener
By Bob Karnauskas Director, Waterfront Services
As your new Director of Waterfront Services, I could not be more pleased with the support of committee members helping me to assure we continue to provide outstanding service and value to our Club. My ears are wide open to comments and suggestions for improvement. A committee meeting is planned for early
January and new faces are most welcome. Watch for an announcement.
In all, 87 Member boats were nestled away this fall for winter storage. No injuries. No boat damage. Congratulations to our haul out team for a job well done.
A reminder: Unplug battery charging power cords when you are not on Club grounds.
A Little Greener...
What was that funny looking black bag next to the crane during the fall haul out?
A number of Members have expressed concern with the residues generated from the high pressure washing of our hulls. Yes, slime and mussels originated from the lake. Unfortunately, the bottom paint that washes off our boats did not.
Bob Aring, Dave Wehnes and I devised a simple system to collect and discharge the wastewater to an oil and sediment dewatering bag that retained particles as small as 80 microns. Based on the blue stains on the bag, some bottom paint was kept out of the lake. Our committee will determine whether we should continue this effort and, if yes, how to improve it.
This year, the runoff from pressure washing boats at haulout, left, was captured in this dewatering bag, right, that retained particles of bottom paint and other substances rather than allowing them into the lake. The Waterfront Services Committee is evaluating the success of the effort.
Decluttering and Reorganizing is Underway at Clubhouse
By Gary Johnson House Chair
Our objectives at the clubhouse right now are to de-clutter the building, re-organize areas and increase proper use of space.
To date we have had a major reorganization of the basement space with a thorough cleaning. Special thanks to Kathryn Hansen, Jerry Kedziora, Cara Gaitens and Bruce Nason for their help. We are still working with basement storage but have already made a huge improvement.
The main floor closet also has been cleaned and de-cluttered. Do not use that closet for anything other than coats. No storage is allowed in that closet; any items that shouldn’t be there will be removed. We will leave the medical kit and a set of jumper cables for your vehicle should anyone have a need. The coat rack near the window office has been moved to the hallway for overflow if needed.
The next project will be office space re-organization.
We have received many compliments for cleaning up the window ledge of the bar for a cleaner look. Bartenders are also getting South Shore Yacht Club logo shirts to wear while working. They are looking sharp.
Speaking of the bar: Let’s all refrain from using the bar for your soapbox. The bar should be a fun place. Some members have objected to excessive complaining and foul or suggestive language at the bar. Bad language will not be tolerated. If a member or guest is creating a disturbance, please let the house committee, general manager, or flag officers know. We will address the problem.
Longer-term projects include working with the Strategic Planning Committee to analyze several areas of concern:
Club maintenance requirements.
Structural and cosmetic improvements.
Defining standards for members and staff to make the club a more pleasant place.
Finally, we would like to hear from our members. If you have a good idea, let the House Committee know.
And have a great holiday season.
An Aluminum Forest
What a difference a few years makes. For decades, we never stored boats 'mast-up.' But recently, with the County's ok, the Club takes on the look of an aluminum forest come winter. Boat owners appreciate the convenience of mast-up storage, and there's less wear-and-tear on the crane crew, too. Bruce Nason photo.
Entertainment Committee Winds up 2017, Welcomes 2018
As 2017 comes to a close, there are still some more entertainment events on tap.
On December 16, come to the Club wearing your ugliest holiday sweater. The music will be provided by Barbra Stephen & Peter Mac. All the festivities begin at 7 p.m. and continue until 11 p.m. There will be drink specials such as Hot Buttered Rum and Captain Morgan & Hot Cider, plus prizes for the ugliest sweater.
The last bash of the year will be of course the New Year’s Eve party. Don’t forget to get your reservations made, as seating is limited. Cocktails begin at 7 p.m. There will be a great dinner followed by dancing to music by John Anderson & The Sensations, all for just $55 per person. Look for more info to follow. Gather at SSYC with your friends to say good bye to the old year and welcome in the New Year.
New Events Planned in 2018
Looking ahead to 2018, the Entertainment Committee is working very hard to create some new events as well as bring back an old party that was quite successful.
On January 13, all you chili chefs get ready to bring in your creations as we are sponsoring our first Chili Contest with prizes for the best chili. Along with the chili contest will be a beer tasting. Start now to perfect your favorite recipe.
The new Casino Night & James Bond Martini Party has been rescheduled for February 10. This looks to be a fun night of Vegas style games along with a cocktail party with a James Bond flair. And of course a James Bond cocktail party just wouldn’t be complete without martinis as the drink specials. Look for more info as time grows near.
The Great Disco Party will be back in full swing in 2018. This has become a Club favorite. The music of the ‘70s never died, and it’s more popular than ever at the Disco Party. The tunes, the incredible lights and the sound system transform South Shore Yacht Club into a 1970s discotheque.
And 2018 will see the return of our Motown Party. Once again we’ll transform our dining room into Hitsville USA in Detroit. And of course we’ll be spinning the greatest hits from the early years of Motown, thanks to our technical advisors Dan & Donna Danowski.
Another new event this year will be a Gilligan’s Island Party. It’s still in the planning stages, but believe me, it’ll be more fun than a three hour cruise.
And of course, the usual annual parties will be on the calendar for 2018, including St. Patrick’s Day, Kentucky Derby, Review of the Fleet, Queen’s Cup, Corn Roast, Change of Watch, Halloween Party, and New Year’s Eve Party.
We are always looking for new members who would like to join the Entertainment Committee. It’s a great way for new Members to meet fellow Members and make new friends. We have fun planning these parties. If interested please contact me at 414-704-3306 or .
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